TORAH EMETH

lundi 16 avril 2012

Who is the Word from Yochanan One



Who is the Word from Yochanan One
“Iesous”, “Jesus”, “Yehoshua”!
Written by
Daniel ben Ya’acov Israel

Many years ago when Elohim called me back to the Torah in “t’shuvah” (repentance) I started my new journey of faith, and relied on men’s knowledge.

It was for me the best way simply because I didn’t know anything I had to “trust” those who were called “pastors”, “bishop” and other names. I was quite naïf and have follow year after year until aba יהוה brought me back to the faith of my ancestors through Messiah Yehoshua in the “messianic movement”. There I spent time to read a lot and again “trust” those who had more experiences and proclaimed to speak “the truth”!

Since then, have I learned that it is good to learn from those who have experiences and know better, but it is much better to learn by ourselves, once one has attain some abilities. I don’t pretend to know everything better, and I can list some brother, or assemblies, I enjoy the reading because they don’t try to puff up their knowledge. Unfortunately they are not so many.

During my research I find assumption which irritates my conscience and I have big struggle to agree with. Among them (please be patient and bear with me if you read this paper to the end, do not judge to quick) are topics like:
            Yochanan 1:1 the “Word”, and those quoting this verse and others from first Yochanan to demonstrate that “Jesus”, or even “Yeshua”, Yehoshua is “G-d”, Elohim.
            The other topic is the virgin birth which, I agree is a difficult topic.
            Another topic consists on the right understanding and interpretation of the Tanak and the Brit Chadasha (falsely called New Testament).
            And how long a man lives: seventy; eighty or one hundred twenty years?

I will take the topics and handle them separately. I don’t pretend to know everything and will accept every critic done in love, as it is written “iron sharps iron”.

I will start today with: “The Word made flesh” for some the demonstration of the pre-existence of “Jesus”, Yeshua or Yehoshua.

When I was starting to learn the way of faith, as I write before, I was so naïve that I though that what Pastors said was “gold worth”. I agreed blind with them swallowing their “teaching”. Later I would do the same with, leaders from “messianic assemblies”, today I have become more careful when reading, and before I agree I search the Torah to find the source.
You can go and read books from the “Anti-nicene fathers”, you will find many names like: Tertullian, Hermas, Tatian, Athenagorus, Theophilus, and Clement of Alexandria, Origen, The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus and many others, founders of the “Church doctrines”, having great influences on the “church today”, among those doctrine, we find the “trinity”.
Before I thought I was a good “Berean” like we read in the book of acts chapter 17, just because I read at home what the “Pastors” told in their sermons or even listen to their tapes, but it was not searching the scriptures. I have after years found out that the only best way to understand the scriptures is to bring it back to his historical context and Elohim’s (G-d) intended will, namely the Hebrew context.
Years ago I discovered the Hebraic roots of our faith through a man named, “Eddie Chemney” and I am today still grateful that Elohim brought him across my way, even if I don't always agree with his explanations. This was the starting point but the greatest change brought in my life was through a man called “Tobiah from Yashanet”. He really brought me to the core of my understanding today. Eddie bring in a simple way to understand that our faith today is not a “new way for the church”, but the accomplishment of the promises Elohim did to Abraham, Itzak and Ya’acov. Tobia brought me to understand how to search the scriptures and understand the four levels of interpretation.
I cannot say that I have agreed one hundred percent with them, but I am grateful for the way Yahuwah has used them in my life.

After many years, I give thanks to Aba Yahuwah who with the help of the Ruach HaQodesh (Set apart Spirit) has enable me to understand some deeper truth.

In Hebrew teaching we learn that there exist four levels of interpretation intermingled without the possibility for one level to change the literal (p’shat) understanding of the other level. They are called PaRDeS a word formed from four other words:
            P‘shat for the literal text
            Remez for the hint found in a text pointing to something
            Drash or allegorical context
            Sod called mystery by Yehoshua in Mark 4:11.
We will see later example of it.

Now let us come back to my first topic. Born in France, I discover my belief in “Jesus” when I was a little child, but it was more formal and didn’t affect so much my life, because my parents were “laic” and we didn’t receive Catholic education. In other words I lived like a pagan. I knew the name “Jesus” and that he died on the “cross”, at the age of fifteen I rejected the Roman Catholic belief for telling lies. I couldn’t explain the reason, but I knew strongly in my heart that the priests were liars, later I discovered that the all Roman Catholic system is not what the scriptures say concerning the truth. This was my conviction, it never changed since ever.
Why do I tell all this? Because it is part of our cultural conscience and it takes the favour of Elohim to be delivered from such doctrines and such darkness.
I fall into sin (1st Yochanan 3:4) until the appointed time when יהוה spoke to me and called me back. This is now more than fifteen years ago.
Today when I hear many “leaders”, “elders”, “rabies” I open my heart and try to catch the voice of the Ruach for guidance. It is amazing that when we do that we can learn a lot.
I explain once to some few brethren in Asia in our assembly, that the Ruach (Spirit) cannot talk to somebody if the person has nothing in his heart.
Why, is it so? Yehoshua tell us something that made me think:
Joh 16:13 “But when He comes, the Spirit of the Truth, He shall guide you into all the truth. For He shall not speak from Himself, but whatever He hears He shall speak, and He shall announce to you what is to come.
“He”, the Ruach, shall guide you into all truth” (just mark the masculine pronoun, because later we will see that the Hebrew is different and use “she” for the Ruach the feminine aspect of Elohim))
The truth is the Torah:
Joh 17:17 “Set them apart in your truth – Your Word is truth.
Psa 119:142 Your righteousness is righteousness forever, And Your Torah is truth.
It is only when we study the Torah that we will give the Ruach HaQodesh “substance” to speak to us;
Shaul (Paul) put it this way:
Rom 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you prove what is that good and well-pleasing and perfect desire of Elohim.
The renewing of our mind is a simple principle. The mind cannot stay in an empty state it will contain either worldly matters or spiritual truth. The Spiritual man speak spiritual things, the carnal man, worldly things, both are opposite.
We do not become spiritual in nature in one day; it is a continual process in our journey. For all of us, when we start to follow Yehoshua, we are still carnal minded as were the disciples:
Mar 9:33 and they came to Kephar Naḥum, and having come in the house He asked them, “What was it you disputed among yourselves on the way?”
Mar 9:34 and they were silent, for on the way they had disputed with one another who was the greatest.
Were the disciples not carnal?
This process is natural and we should make every necessary effort to put the flesh to subjection.

The doctrine of “Jesus be the Word” is well known among Christianity, so far that they explain that because the “Word” was with “G-d” in the beginning, “Jesus” is God and therefore as Yochanan write…….and the Word was with Elohim and the Word was Elohim.
It sounds like a perfect logic! I am not learned in Hebrew semantic or Greek, but I use different translation as I will demonstrate, I search for historical facts and learn from Hebrew and Greek dictionary the word used in the text. All this can help you to get a right understanding.
We know that most of the documents we have now in our bibles are copy from copies, and even if it disturb some reader, this is a fact, our today’s “New Testament” has been made from more than twenty eight thousands copies, from scribes who did their best to copy manuscript according to their abilities, but also according to what they believed, or were taught to believe as we are going to see.
Many English, French or German translations have been done from the Vulgate Bible, the translation from Jerome dated around 400 C.E. The first English translation is granted to John Wycliffe around 1380 C.E.and was the standard bible in the Roman Catholic Church.
Translation based on the Latin Vulgate which translate John 1:3-4 with the pronoun “him” which of course has a great influence on our understanding and Greek culture. At this time and until 1550 there was no letter “J” in the English and French alphabet. If you learn German today, you will see that the letter “J” is spoken like the English “Y” in “yes”
1526 see the English translation from William Tyndale a great scholar in Hebrew and Greek.
Tyndale used "it" instead of "him." "It" is a translation of the Greek "autou" meaning he, she, or it. What this tells us is that Tyndale did not read Messiah into the "logos" or "word" of verse 1 and was not influenced by the Latin Vulgate or Wycliffe as are most of the translations his work was based on the Greek text.
King James read:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 the same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Joh 1:14 and the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

William Tyndale:
Ihon 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was that word, and that word was with god: and god was that word.
2 The same was in the beginning with god.
3 All things were made by it, and without it, was made no thing, that made was.
4 In it was life, and life was the light of men,

14 ¶ and that word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw the glory of it, as the glory of the only begotten son of the father, which word was full of grace, and verity.

To interpret the “Word” from Yochanan 1:1 to be Messiah and to be “G-d” it is to read into the text what is not said.
Further Tyndale never used the word “church” but “congregation” of “company”, a choice which will bring great trouble to him.
But let us go further now that we have seen that depending on the translation we could have major differences.
Here some quotation which support Christians author in their commentaries:
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him,.... Which is a proof at once of all that is said before; as that he was in the beginning; and that he was with God the Father in the beginning; and that he was God; otherwise all things could not have been made by him, had either of these been untrue: which is to be understood, not of the new creation; for this would be a restraining "all" things to a "few" persons only; nor is it any where said, that all things are new made…….(Gill)
All things were made by him - That is, by this Logos. In Gen_1:1, God is said to have created all things: in this verse, Christ is said to have created all things: the same unerring Spirit spoke in Moses and in the evangelists: therefore Christ and the Father are One. To say that Christ made all things by a delegated power from God is absurd; because the thing is impossible. Creation means causing that to exist that had no previous being: this is evidently a work which can be effected only by omnipotence. Now, God cannot delegate his omnipotence to another: were this possible, he to whom this omnipotence was delegated would, in consequence, become God; and he from whom it was delegated would cease to be such: for it is impossible that there should be two omnipotent beings.(Clarke)
We see the reasoning of man trying to explain something, in order to give proof to their assertions
Logos: Strong’s #G3056 Λόγος logos log'-os
From G3004; something said (including the thought); by implication a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension a computation; specifically (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (that is, Christ): - account, cause, communication, X concerning, doctrine, fame, X have to do, intent, matter, mouth, preaching, question, reason, + reckon, remove, say (-ing), shew, X speaker, speech, talk, thing, + none of these things move me, tidings, treatise, utterance, word, work.
G3004 legō leg'-o
A primary verb; properly to “lay” forth, that is, (figuratively) relate (in words [usually of systematic or set discourse; whereas G2036 and G5346 generally refer to an individual expression or speech respectively; while G4483 is properly to break silence merely, and G2980 means an extended or random harangue]); by implication to mean: - ask, bid, boast, call, describe, give out, name, put forth, say (-ing, on), shew, speak, tell, utter.

Here the “logos”, “lego” are described to be the speech, something spoken out of the thought and put forth in order to create something. Word and “G-d” are inseparable, because without it, the “logos” nothing existed.
For those asserting that “Jesus” is the Word, the “Logos” they may consider some few scripture and explain:
Act 2:22 “Men of Yisra’ĕl, hear these words: יהושע of Natsareth, a Man from Elohim, having been pointed out to you by mighty works, and wonders, and signs which Elohim did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know
Php 2:8 AndG2532 being foundG2147 in fashionG4976 asG5613 a man,G444 he humbledG5013 himself,G1438 and becameG1096 obedientG5255 untoG3360 death,G2288 evenG1161 the deathG2288 of the cross.G4716
1Ti 2:5 For there is one Elohim,1 and one Mediator between Elohim and men, the Man Messiah יהושע,
In these three examples two words are used in the Greek for “man”. Philippians and Timothy use Strong’s # G444 ἄνθρωπος anthrōpos anth'-ro-pos
From G435 and ὤψ ōps (the countenance; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man.
While in the book of Acts we have Strong’s# G435 ἀνήρ anēr an'-ayr
A primary word (compare G444); a man (properly as an individual male): - fellow, husband, man, sir.
We see that both speak of a human being. Why do I mention these examples? The answer is found in the book of B’reshit (Genesis)
Gen 3:22 and the YHWHH3068 GodH430 said,H559 Behold,H2005 the manH120 is becomeH1961 as oneH259 ofH4480 us, to knowH3045 goodH2896 and evil:H7451 and now,H6258 lestH6435 he put forthH7971 his hand,H3027 and takeH3947 alsoH1571 of the treeH4480 H6086 of life,H2416 and eat,H398 and liveH2425 for ever:H5769
Gen 1:26 and GodH430 said,H559 Let us makeH6213 manH120 in our image,H6754 after our likeness:H1823 and let them have dominionH7287 over the fishH1710 of the sea…………………..
The word used here for “man is the Hebrew word: Strong’s # H120אדם 'âdâm aw-dawm'
From H119; ruddy, that is, a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.): - X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
Elohim say that He created man, and we have read that Messiah Yehoshua was called “man”! He is also called “brother”. If we take “man” as interpreted for the “Logos”, we indeed can use “him”, but if we interpret the “Logos” been the “thoughts” of Elohim, then it is “that Word” and it is with the neutral pronoun “it”!
Moshe spoke concerning Messiah in this term:
Deu 18:18 ‘I shall raise up for them a Prophet like you out of the midst of their brothers. And I shall put My Words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.
This is confirmed in different place in the book of Yochanan:
Joh 1:21 andG2532 they askedG2065 him,G846 WhatG5101 then?G3767 ArtG1488 thouG4771 Elias?G2243 AndG2532 he saith,G3004 I amG1510 not.G3756 ArtG1488 thouG4771 that prophet?G4396 AndG2532 he answered,G611 No.G3756
Joh 6:14 ThenG3767 those men,G444 when they had seenG1492 the miracleG4592 thatG3739 JesusG2424 did,G4160 said,G3004 ThisG3778 isG2076 of a truthG230 that prophetG4396 that should comeG2064 intoG1519 theG3588 world.G2889
Joh 7:40 ManyG4183 ofG1537 theG3588 peopleG3793 therefore,G3767 when they heardG191 this saying,G3056 said,G3004 Of a truthG230 thisG3778 isG2076 theG3588 Prophet.G4396
We see that the priest, Levites, Pharisee and Yahudin who met Yehoshua spoke of him been “that prophet” or “the prophet”, meaning the one spoken of by Moshe. The prophet “from among the brothers”!
Are brothers equal to Elohim? I guess the answer is evident, it is NO!
Since the beginning of “Christianity and even before, the Yahudin have been influenced by Greek philosophy as we can read from Albert Barnes:
Was the Word - Greek, “was the λόγος  Logos.” This name is given to him who afterward became “flesh,” or was incarnate (Joh_1:14 - that is, to the Messiah. Whatever is meant by it, therefore, is applicable to the “Lord Jesus Christ”. There have been many opinions about the reason why this name was given to the Son of God. It is unnecessary to repeat those opinions. The opinion which seems most plausible may be expressed as follows:
1. A “word” is that by which we communicate our will; by which we convey our thoughts; or by which we issue commands the medium of communication with others.
2. The Son of God may be called “the Word,” because he is the medium by which God promulgates His will and issues His commandments. See Heb_1:1-3.
3. This term was in use before the time of John.
(a)    It was used in the Aramaic translation of the Old Testament, as, “e. g.,” Isa_45:12; “I have made the earth, and created man upon it.” In the Aramaic it is, “I, ‘by my word,’ have made,” etc. Isa_48:13; “mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth.” In the Aramaic, “‘By my word’ I have founded the earth.” And so in many other places.
(b)    This term was used by the Jews as applicable to the Messiah. In their writings he was commonly known by the term “Mimra” - that is, “Word;” and no small part of the interpositions of God in defense of the Jewish nation were declared to be by “the Word of God.” Thus, in their Targum on Deu_26:17-18, it is said, “Ye have appointed the word of God a king over you this day, that he may be your God.”
(c)    The term was used by the Jews who were scattered among the Gentiles, and especially those who were conversant with the Greek philosophy.
(d)    The term was used by the followers of Plato (Greek philosophe) among the Greeks, to denote the Second Person of the Trinity. The Greek term νοῦς nous or “mind,” was commonly given to this second person, but it was said that this nous was “the word” or “reason” of the First Person of the Trinity. The term was therefore extensively in use among the Jews and Gentiles before John wrote his Gospel, and it was certain that it would be applied to the Second Person of the Trinity by Christians. whether converted from Judaism or Paganism. It was important, therefore, that the meaning of the term should be settled by an inspired man, and accordingly John, in the commencement of his Gospel, is at much pains to state clearly what is the true doctrine respecting the  Logos, or Word. It is possible, also, that the doctrines of the Gnostics had begun to spread in the time of John. They were an Oriental sect, and held that the Logos or “Word” was one of the “Aeones” that had been created, and that this one had been united to the man Jesus (Gnostic doctrine rebuked by Yochanan, see the text*). If that doctrine had begun then to prevail, it was of the more importance for John to settle the truth in regard to the rank of the Logos or Word. This he has done in such a way that there need be no doubt about its meaning.
1Jn 4:1 Beloved ones, do not believe every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of Elohim, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of Elohim: Every spirit that confesses that יהושע Messiah has come in the flesh is of Elohim,
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that יהושע Messiah has come in the flesh is not of Elohim. And this is the spirit of the anti-messiah which you heard is coming, and now is already in the world.
Yochanan wrote this because of the “Gnostic doctrine”:
1Jn 4:3 
confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the fleshIrenaeus [3.8], Lucifer, Origen, on Mat_25:14, and Vulgate read, “Every spirit which destroys (sets aside, or does away with) Jesus (Christ).” Cyprian and Polycarp support English Version text. The oldest extant manuscripts, which are, however, centuries after Polycarp, read, “Every spirit that confesseth not (that is, refuses to confess) Jesus” (in His person, and all His offices and divinity), omitting “is come in the flesh.” (Jamieson Fausset Brown)
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that confesseth not,.... The proper deity and sonship of Christ, his true and real humanity, and his Messiahship; or any of his offices, doctrines, and ordinances; or his satisfaction and righteousness; or that peace, pardon, justification, life, and salvation, are by him; all which are meant by what follows,

that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh: this clause is left out in the Ethiopic version, and that without hurting the sense, since it is easily supplied from the preceding verse; and the Alexandrian copy, and the Vulgate Latin version, only read "Jesus": and the latter reads the whole thus, "and every spirit that dissolves Jesus"; that separates the two natures, human and divine, in him, and makes two persons of them; or denies either of them, either that he is truly God, or really man, or denies him to be Jesus, the Saviour; who, as much as in him lies, destroys his person, office, and work, and makes void his obedience, sufferings, and death: is not of God; neither he nor his doctrine are of God; his doctrine cannot come from God, being contrary to the word of God; and he himself is neither born of God, nor on his side. (Gill)
1Jn 4:3 
Every spirit - Every teacher, that confesseth not Jesus, is not of God - has not been inspired by God. The words εν σαρκι εληλυθοτα, is come in the flesh, are wanting in AB, several others, both the Syriac, the Polyglot Arabic, Ethiopic, Coptic, Armenian, and Vulgate; in Origen, Cyril, Theodoret, Irenaeus, and others. Griesbach has left them out of the text.(Adam Clarke)
And the explanation of Albert Barnes gives us some clues in “Christian understanding”:
1Jn 4:3 
And every spirit that confesseth not ... - That is, this doctrine is essential to the Christian system; and he who does not hold it cannot be regarded either as a Christian, or recognised as a Christian teacher. If he was not a man, then all that occurred in his life, in Gethsemane, and on the cross, was in “appearance” only, and was assumed only to delude the senses. There were no real sufferings; there was no shedding of blood; there was no death on the cross; and, of course, there was no atonement. A mere show, an appearance assumed, a vision, could not make atonement for sin; and a denial, therefore, of the doctrine that the Son of God had come in the flesh, was in fact a denial of the doctrine of expiation for sin. The Latin Vulgate here reads “qui solvit Jesum,” “who dissolves or divides Jesus;” and Socrates (H. E. vii. 32) says that in the old copies of the New Testament it is written ὅ λίει τὸν Ἱησοῦν ho liei ton Hiēsoun, “who dissolves or divides Jesus;” that is, who “separates” his true nature or person, or who supposes that there were “two” Christs, one in appearance, and one in reality. This reading was early found in some manuscripts, and is referred to by many of the Fathers, (see Wetstein,) but it has no real authority, and was evidently introduced, perhaps at first from a marginal note, to oppose the prevailing errors of the times. The common reading, “who confesseth not,” is found in all the Greek manuscripts, in the Syriac versions, in the Arabic; and, as Lucke says, the other reading is manifestly of Latin origin. The common reading in the text is that which is sustained by authority, and is entirely in accordance with the manner of John.
Yochanan aimed to make clear that all the Gnostics were liars and the only way to see is that Yehoshua the Messiah was a man of flesh and not the mix of “aeones” and human being.
It is say that some said that when Yehoshua walked he didn’t had shade and no print of his feet when he walked! Christians today explain that “Jesus” is one hundred percent man, and one hundred percent “G-d”. This meant two hundred percent, a form of “Gnosticism”.
Christians say that “the Son of G-d” has come in the flesh (Albert Barnes)! Is that what Sha’ul say?
Rom 1:4 who was designated Son of Elohim with power, according to the Set-apart Spirit, by the resurrection from the dead: יהושע Messiah, the Master of us,
Son of Elohim “by the resurrection from the dead”! This meant that before the resurrection he wasn’t, but let see what Mattityahu say!
Heb 1:5 For to which of the messengers did He ever say, “You are My Son, today I have brought You forth”?1 And again, “I shall be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son”?2 Footnotes: 1Ps. 2:7. 22 Sa. 7:14.
Mat 3:17 and see, a voice out of the heavens, saying, “This is My Son, the Beloved, in whom I did delight.”
This was when Yehoshua was immersed by Yochanan, at this time, Yehoshua was thirty year old?
What does Gabriel the messenger told Myriam (falsely call “Mary”)?
Luk 1:31 “And see, you shall conceive in your womb, and shall give birth to a Son, and call His Name יהושע.1 Footnote: 1Mt. 1:21.
Now we know that Yehoshua was the “Messiah”, sadly translated “Christ” a word built on Greek philosophy
Messiah: Strong’s # H4899 משׁיח mâshı̂yach maw-shee'-akh
From H4886; anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically the Messiah: - anointed, Messiah.
A consecrated person chosen of Elohim before the foundation of the world! Yehoshua knew that he was to be the Messiah, the anointed one.
Was Yehoshua’s lineage only spiritual?
Rom 1:3 concerning His Son, who came of the seed of Dawiḏ according to the flesh,
Sha’ul make it clear for those who would try to interpret something else which is not, Yehoshua is from the lineage of David and the direct heir of the Kingship. He flesh that is “sarx” in Greek, the “human nature”. Some have try to interpret that if Sha’ul say “according to the flesh”, he mean that Yehoshua was not only from the “sarx”, “human nature”. This I say is to interpret what is not.
When I learn from Tobia (Yashanet), it is clear that to avoid the interpretation of the human nature, we must rely on the Torah. If it’s not in the Torah, it’s not what Elohim want us to know. Sometime it’s not easy to see, but once again, Sha’ul make it clear and explain:
1Co 15:45 and so it has been written, “The first man Aḏam became a living being,” the last Aḏam a life-giving Spirit.
1Co 15:46 The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man was of the earth, earthy; the second Man is the Master from heaven.
1Co 15:48 as is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly.
Now if we can see what Sha’ul say, is that those who were born under the first Adam were not spiritual, only those born after Yehoshua came. Am I speaking now from the carnal nature of man, and not from salvation, do not misinterpret me.
If we understand we can approach the Tanak from a new perspective and see what יהוה has prepared since the foundation of the world. When reading the Torah we read the complete plan of redemption, our own plan of redemption. This plan is made clear to us through “proxies” who act in different roles to make us understand what the natural man cannot see, nor is able to see.
The Torah reflects our own carnal nature and the difficulty to submit to יהוה outside Yehoshua. It is only through Messiah that the carnal man can obey the Torah.
What we have inherited is NOT what christians called the sin of Adam take from Catholic doctrines, rather we inherit the carnal nature unregenerated which is in need of the "life giving spririt (1.Corint.15:45) the Mashiach in us.

Rom 1:3 ConcerningG4012 hisG848 SonG5207 יהושע G2424 MessiahG5547 ourG2257 Master,G2962 whichG3588 was madeG1096 ofG1537 the seedG4690 of DavidG1138 accordingG2596 to the flesh;G4561
Seed: Strong’s #G4690 σπέρμα sperma sper'-mah
From G4687; something sown, that is, seed (including the male “sperm”); by implication offspring; specifically a remnant (figuratively as if kept over for planting): - issue, seed.
Luk 1:55 AsG2531 he spakeG2980 toG4314 ourG2257 fathers,G3962 to Abraham,G11 andG2532 to hisG846 seedG4690 for ever.G1519 G165
Joh 7:42 Hath notG3780 theG3588 scriptureG1124 said,G2036 ThatG3754 MessiahtG5547 comethG2064 ofG1537 theG3588 seedG4690 of David,G1138 andG2532 out ofG575 theG3588 townG2968 of Bethlehem,G965 whereG3699 DavidG1138 was?G2258
Act 13:22 AndG2532 when he had removedG3179 him,G846 he raised upG1453 unto themG846 DavidG1138 to be their king;G1519 G935 to whomG3739 alsoG2532 he gave testimony,G3140 and said,G2036 I have foundG2147 DavidG1138 theG3588 son of Jesse,G2421 a manG435 afterG2596 mine ownG3450 heart,G2588 whichG3739 shall fulfilG4160 allG3956 myG3450 will.G2307
Act 13:23 OfG575 this man'sG5127 seedG4690 hath GodG2316 accordingG2596 to his promiseG1860 raisedG1453 unto IsraelG2474 a Saviour,G4990 Jesus:G2424
2Ti 2:8 RememberG3421 that YehoshuaG2424 MessiahG5547 ofG1537 the seedG4690 of DavidG1138 was raisedG1453 fromG1537 the deadG3498 accordingG2596 to myG3450 gospel:G2098
These are few examples to demonstrate that in the mind of the Apostles there was no confusion concerning the “seed” of David.

After this reading one, should see that either it was the influence of Greek Philosophy or Gnostic doctrine (secret knowledge, practiced by some sects), but never founded on the Torah teaching! It is amazing to me, to see how Christians put all their energy to demonstrate that Yehoshua was the “Logos”. Is what Yochanan wanted to say?
Yochanan write:
Joh 1:14 andG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 was madeG1096 flesh,G4561 andG2532 dweltG4637 amongG1722 us,G2254 (andG2532 we beheldG2300 hisG846 glory,G1391 the gloryG1391 asG5613 of the only begottenG3439 ofG3844 the Father,)G3962 fullG4134 of graceG5485 andG2532 truth.G225
Yes, I agree with what is written, the “Logos”, the thoughts of Elohim became flesh in the man Yehoshua Messiah. Because Yehoshua existed before the creation of the world in the mind, the “logos”, the thoughts of Elohim:

Eph 1:4 according asG2531 he hath chosenG1586 usG2248 inG1722 himG846 beforeG4253 the foundationG2602 of the world,G2889 that weG2248 should beG1511 holyG40 andG2532 without blameG299 beforeG2714 himG846 inG1722 love:
Do we exist physically before the foundation of the world? The answer is again NO! Only in the mind of Elohim.
2Ti 1:9 Who hath savedG4982 us,G2248 andG2532 calledG2564 us with an holyG40 calling,G2821 notG3756 accordingG2596 to ourG2257 works,G2041 butG235 accordingG2596 to his ownG2398 purposeG4286 andG2532 grace,G5485 which was givenG1325 usG2254 inG1722 MesiahG5547 יהושע G2424 beforeG4253 the world began,G5550 G166
All exist in the mind “Logos” of Elohim before the world came into existence:

Heb 4:3 ForG1063 we which have believedG4100 do enterG1525 intoG1519 rest,G2663 asG2531 he said,G2046 AsG5613 I have swornG3660 inG1722 myG3450 wrath,G3709 ifG1487 they shall enterG1525 intoG1519 myG3450 rest:G2663 althoughG2543 theG3588 worksG2041 were finishedG1096 fromG575 the foundationG2602 of the world.G2889
Kefa (Peter) give us also a clue concerning the “Logos”:

1Pe 1:19 ButG235 with the preciousG5093 bloodG129 of Mesiah,G5547 asG5613 of a lambG286 without blemishG299 andG2532 without spot:G784
1Pe 1:20 Who verilyG3303 was foreordainedG4267 beforeG4253 the foundationG2602 of the world,G2889 butG1161 was manifestG5319 inG1909 these lastG2078 timesG5550 forG1223 you,G5209
Foreordained: Strong’s # G4267 Προγινώσκω proginōskō prog-in-oce'-ko
From G4253 and G1097; to know beforehand, that is, foresee: - foreknow (ordain), know (before).
This is not “to exist”!
You wee if Yehoshua exist physically before the creation of the world, if the “Logos” is the existent second person of the so called ‘trinity” a pagan concept, then Yehoshua must have been killed also before the creation of the world:

Rev 13:8 andG2532 allG3956 that dwellG2730 uponG1909 theG3588 earthG1093 shall worshipG4352 him,G846 whoseG3739 namesG3686 are notG3756 writtenG1125 inG1722 theG3588 bookG976 of lifeG2222 of theG3588 LambG721 slainG4969 fromG575 the foundationG2602 of the world.G2889
Foundation: Storng’s # G2602 Καταβολή katabolē kat-ab-ol-ay'
From G2598; a deposition, that is, founding; figuratively conception: - conceive, foundation.
Here we see that indeed Yehoshua the “Lamb of El” was slain in the conception, of the world, but not in a pre-existential form
יהוה speak throughout the Torah of Messiah in many different form which are never physically, in the construction of the “mishkahn”, the Tabernacle, in the sacrifices, pointing always to the future when Yehoshua will become the “Living word”, the “Word”, the “Logos”, the “thoughts” of Elohim, the primal conception of Elohim became flesh, the perfect man appeared, Yehoshua of Nazareth. Yes Yehoshua existed since the foundation of the world in the MIND of Elohim.
Have you ever ask, why Elohim required so many animals sacrifices? Sometime thousand upon thousands were killed! Does Elohim need all these sacrifices? The answer is NO, he intended to show something which has not been seen by many. Even today all around the world many people think that they can be saved because of their “good works”!
Eph 2:8 for by favour you have been saved, through belief, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of Elohim,
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved.
But let us go back to animals sacrifices. Many years have I ask myself the reason of those sacrifices, if Elohim does not need them, what was the purpose? The answer is enlightening: All these animals were innocent bearing (covering) the sin of the children of Israel (carnal man), Yehoshua was also without sin and die for us, the innocent for the sinners! Can you see how it was concealed?
Mat 27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
Mat 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, what is that to us? see thou to that.
The Torah and not the imagination of man must always been the foundation of our affirmation. If you don’t find it in the Torah, it is the story of man. We don’t have to figure out what is not, Yehoshua is reveal in many forms throughout the Tanak (O.T) but not in the form like “angel” who have no flesh and blood, angel are not superior to man, but servant!
Rev 22:8 And I, Yoḥanan, saw and heard these matters. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the messenger (angel) who showed me these matters.
Rev 22:9 and he said to me, “See, do not! For I am your fellow servant, and of your brothers the prophets, and of those who are guarding the words of this book. Worship Elohim.”
Rev 19:10 and I fell at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “See, do not do it! I am your fellow servant, and of your brothers who possess the witness of יהושע. Worship Elohim! For the witness of יהושע is the spirit of prophecy.”
Before closing this short explanation let us have look at some few verses:
Joh 20:17 יהושע said to her, “Do not hold on to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My Elohim and your Elohim.’ ”
Heb 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the messengers, יהושע, because of the suffering of death crowned with esteem and respect, that by the favour of Elohim He should taste death for everyone.
Heb 2:10 For it was fitting for Him, because of whom all are and through whom all are, in bringing many sons to esteem, to make the Princely Leader of their deliverance perfect through sufferings.
Heb 2:11 For both He who sets apart and those who are being set apart are all of One, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brothers,
Deu 18:18 ‘I shall raise up for them a Prophet like you out of the midst of their brothers. And I shall put My Words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.
With all respect for all those Christians commentators (Barnes, Clarke, Jamieson, Fausset, Brown Keil and Delitzsch and many others, who were great scholars without the Ruach to teach them the deepest revelation of the Torah) they have not seen what Elohim intend His people to see:
Her one example in the commentary from  Yochanan 20:17 (John)”……..do not touch me, for I have not yet ascended to my Father……”.
Barnes:
Touch me not ... - This passage has given rise to a variety of interpretations. Jesus required Thomas to touch him Joh_20:27, and it has been difficult to ascertain why he forbade this now to Mary. The reason why he directed Thomas to do this was, that he doubted whether he had been restored to life. Mary did not doubt that. The reason why he forbade her to touch him now is to be sought in the circumstances of the case. Mary, filled with joy and gratitude, was about to prostrate herself at his feet, disposed to remain with him, and offer him there her homage as her risen Lord. This is probably included in the word touch in this place; and the language of Jesus may mean this: “Do not approach me now for this purpose. Do not delay here. Other opportunities will yet be afforded to see me. I have not yet ascended - that is, I am not about to ascend immediately, but shall remain yet on earth to afford opportunity to my disciples to enjoy my presence.” From Mat_28:9, it appears that the women, when they met Jesus, held him by the feet and worshipped him. This species of adoration it was probably the intention of Mary to offer, and this, at that time, Jesus forbade, and directed her to go at once and give his disciples notice that he had risen.

Clarke:
Touch me not - Μη μου ἁπτου, Cling not to me. Ἁπτομαι has this sense in Job_31:7, where the Septuagint use it for the Hebrew דבק  dabak, which signifies to cleave, cling, stick, or be glued to. From Mat_28:9, it appears that some of the women held him by the feet and worshipped him. This probably Mary did; and our Lord seems to have spoken to her to this effect: “Spend no longer time with me now: I am not going immediately to heaven - you will have several opportunities of seeing me again: but go and tell my disciples, that I am, by and by, to ascend to my Father and God, who is your Father and God also. Therefore, let them take courage.”
Gill:
Jesus saith unto her, touch me not,.... Not that his body was an aerial one, or a mere "phantom", which could not be touched; the prohibition itself shows the contrary; and besides, Christ's body was afterwards presented to Thomas, to be touched by him, and to be handled by all the disciples; and his feet were held by the women, which is what Mary would have now done: upon the discovery of him, she threw herself at his feet, and was going to embrace and kiss them, to testify her affection and joy, when she is forbid; not as unworthy of the favour, because she sought him among the dead, for which the angels reproved her and the rest; but either because he was not to be conversed with, as before his death, his body being raised immortal and glorious; or rather, because he had an errand to send her on to his disciples, which required haste; nor need she stay now to show her respect to him, since she would have opportunity enough to do that, before his ascension; which though it was to be quickly, yet not directly and immediately; and this seems to be the sense of our Lord's reason:

for I am not yet ascended to my Father; nor shall I immediately go to him; I shall make some stay upon earth; as he did, forty days before his ascension; when he intimates, she might see him again, and familiarly converse with him; at present he would have her stay no longer with him:
Jamieson, Fausset, Brown:
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my FatherOld familiarities must now give place to new and more awful yet sweeter approaches; but for these the time has not come yet. This seems the spirit, at least, of these mysterious words, on which much difference of opinion has obtained, and not much that is satisfactory said.
Now let us look what the Torah says:
Lev 23:10 “Speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, and you shall say to them, ‘When you come into the land which I give you, and shall reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the first-fruits of your harvest to the priest.
Lev 23:11 ‘And he shall wave the sheaf before יהוה, for your acceptance. On the morrow after the Sabbath the priest waves it.
Yochanan tell us that Yehoshua will ascend to heaven to meet the Father. In the book of Vayiqra we read that the “sheaf of the first fruits” must be wave before יהוה Myriam-Magdaleine met Yehoshua and if she would have touched him, the “first fruit from among the dead” he could not have been accepted to appear before the Father.
Col 1:18 And He is the Head of the body, the assembly, who is the beginning, the first-born from the dead, that He might become the One who is first in all.
Those coming after him were also called “first fruits”:
Jas 1:18 Having purposed it, He brought us forth by the Word of truth, for us to be a kind of first-fruits of His creatures.
Creatures: Strong’s G2938 Κτίσμα ktisma ktis'-mah
From G2936; an original formation (concretely), that is, product (created thing): - creature.
Now let us approach some verses which were the foundation of Yochanan and Sha'ul understanding concerning our Master Yeshua:
Let us compare:
oh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim, and the Word was Elohim.
Joh 1:2  He was in the beginning with Elohim.
Joh 1:3  All came to be through Him,1 and without Him not even one came to be that came to be.
Him or "it"?
William Tyndale who wrote the first English Bible was nt influenced by the Latin Vulgate from Jerome, an antinomian and maker of the doctrine "old" and "new" testament. He write:
John1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God.  3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4 In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men

Is Yochanan speaking from Yeshua as God or from the WORD made flesh?
Let see what Yeshayahu says:

Isa 55:10  “For as the rain comes down, and the snow from the heavens, and do not return there, but water the earth, and make it bring forth and bud, and give seed to the sower and bread to the eater,
Isa 55:11  so is My Word that goes forth from My mouth – it does not return to Me empty, but shall do what I please, and shall certainly accomplish what I sent it for.

What does Yeshua says:
Joh 7:16  יהושע answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
What does we read in Revelation:

Rev 19:10  And I fell at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “See, do not do it! I am your fellow servant, and of your brothers who possess the witness of יהושע. Worship Elohim! For the witness of יהושע is the spirit of prophecy.”
Rev 19:11  And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights.1
Rev 19:12  And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself1 – Footnote: 1See 2:17.
Rev 19:13  and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood – and His Name is called: The Word of יהוה.

It seems to me that the Apostles never had problem to see Yeshua as the WORD of Elohim. When did the Apostle at any time mention Yeshua "deity" (at least in the original Hebrew text) and "virgin birth (never). Many manuscript from the book of Matthew do not support the virgin birth (Peshitta);
But then who is Yeshua:
Deu 18:15  “יהוה your Elohim shall raise up for you a Prophet like me (Moshe) from your midst, from your brothers. Listen to Him,
Deu 18:16  according to all you asked of יהוה your Elohim in Ḥorĕḇ in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of יהוה my Elohim, nor let me see this great fire any more, lest I die.’
Deu 18:17  “And יהוה said to me, ‘What they have spoken is good.
Deu 18:18  ‘I (YHWH) shall raise up for them a Prophet like you (Moshe) out of the midst of their brothers. And I (YHWH) shall put My Words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him (see Yochanan 7:16).
Deu 18:19  ‘And it shall be, the man who does not listen to My Words which He speaks in My Name, I require it of him.
Did Yochanan/John knew what YHWH spoke to Moshe?

Joh 6:14  Then the men, having seen the sign that יהושע did, said, “This is truly the Prophet who is coming to the world.” (which prophet)
Joh 7:40  Many from the crowd, when they heard the word, then said, “This truly is the Prophet.” (not "a" prophet).
They asked Yochanan concerning the prophet like Moshe:
Joh 1:21  And they asked him, “What then, are you Ěliyahu?” So he said, “I am not.” Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.”
Here again the pronoun is definite "the" and not indefinite "a"! No doubt that people were aware that one prophet like Moshe would come to them.
Another witness:
Mat 21:10  And as He entered into Yerushalayim, all the city was stirred, saying, “Who is this?”
Mat 21:11  And the crowds said, “This is יהושע, the prophet from Natsareth of Galil.”
What about Yeshua in relationship to us?

Joh 20:17  יהושע said to her, “Do not hold on to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My Elohim and your Elohim.’ ”
Is Yeshua speaking about his own family members?
Heb 2:10  For it was fitting for Him, because of whom all are and through whom all are, in bringing many sons to esteem, to make the Princely Leader of their deliverance perfect through sufferings.
Heb 2:11  For both He who sets apart and those who are being set apart are all of One, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brothers,
Heb 2:12  saying, “I shall announce Your Name to My brothers, in the midst of the congregation I shall sing praise to You.”
Here we see that the congregation do not point to Yeshua family members.

Another point to ponder:
Yehowah did a promise to David:

2Sa 7:12  “When your days are filled and you rest with your fathers, I shall raise up your seed (Heb.Zera/Sperma in Greek) after you, who comes from your inward parts, and shall establish his reign.

2Sa 7:24  “And You have established for Yourself Your people Yisra’ĕl as Your own people forever, and You, יהוה, have become their Elohim.
2Sa 7:25  “And now, O יהוה Elohim, the word which You have spoken concerning Your servant and concerning his house, establish it forever and do as You have said.
2Sa 7:26  “And let Your Name be made great forever, saying, ‘יהוה of hosts is the Elohim over Yisra’ĕl.’ And let the house of Your servant Dawiḏ be established before You.

Luk 1:31  “And see, you shall conceive in your womb, and shall give birth to a Son, and call His Name יהושע..
Luk 1:32  “He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Most High. And יהוה Elohim shall give Him the throne of His father Dawiḏ.
Luk 1:33  “And He shall reign over the house of Yaʽaqoḇ forever, and there shall be no end to His reign.”
1Ki 8:25  “And now, יהוה Elohim of Yisra’ĕl, guard what You promised Your servant Dawiḏ my father, saying, ‘There is not to cease a man of yours before Me, sitting on the throne of Yisra’ĕl – only, if your sons guard their way, to walk before Me as you have walked before Me.’

Yeshua from the seed (sperma) of David has come as LEGAL King over the House of Ya'acov. His first coming was to RESTORE the House of Ysrael and the work will be finished at his second coming. This is why Yeshua never force to be proclamed King at his first coming.
If Yeshua was NOT from the physical SEED of David, Yehowah will have broken HIS Word and Yeshua would have been disqualified as King and as Mashiach.
Last for today:
If Yeshua is YHWH in the flesh, why does he has to hand over the Kingdom to the Father:
A very deep and many time ignored words from Sha'ul:
1Co 15:23  And each in his own order: Messiah the first-fruits, then those who are of Messiah at His coming,
1Co 15:24  then the end, when He (Yeshua the son) delivers up the reign to Elohim the Father, when He(the Father) has brought to naught all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25  For He (Yeshua) has to reign until He (the Father) has put all enemies under His (Yeshua) feet.
1Co 15:26  The last enemy to be brought to naught is death.
1Co 15:27  For “He (the Father) has put all under His (Yeshua) feet.” But when He (the Father) says “all are put under Him (Yeshua),” it is clear that He (the Father) who put all under Him (Yeshua) is excepted.
1Co 15:28  And when all are made subject to Him (Yehsua), then the Son Himself shall also be subject to Him (the Father) who put all under Him (Yeshua), in order that Elohim be all in all.

There is much more to say, this will be in another time.
May Yehowah bless you all.